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I don't see that the big fuss is all about - there's already one law for the rich after all...
(stay tuned for more obvious satire later!)
Archbishop of Canterbury on Sharia Law
depends on the individual law - but like the example one, about marriage - i don't see any problem with things like that, i mean marriage is all about religion anyway so you should be allowed to do whatever the custom is in your religion, like jews this or buddhists that. its like some christian group came out and said recently what the bible says should take precedence over government laws for them. then i'll convert to the rastafarian religion and claim my weed is for religious purposes and i'm immune from the law 
i could see it being very complicated to do though - again it depends on the individual law, some you probably couldn't do
i could see it being very complicated to do though - again it depends on the individual law, some you probably couldn't do
There was a documentary I've downloaded from 4oD that aired a few days ago about Sharia courts in the UK. It was specifically focussed on marriage laws and it was quite interesting.
It all depends how far people want to take it. In a sense, Sharia courts do operate, and have been operating for years, in the UK, but they operate within British law at the same time - for instance they can't rule that someone have their hand chopped off or anything, but they can grant Muslim people divorces and make rulings on family feuds, etc.
I've got no problem with that sort of thing, since it's none of my business, but the idea that British law should embrace the more extreme sorts of rulings that you could find in places like Saudi Arabia is mental - that will never happen. Most British Muslims are glad of that, too, I'd imagine. The idea that they'd welcome death penalties seems a bit crazy to me.
It's the Daily Mail type people who try to confuse the issue by comparing the fact that some Muslims obtain fatwas (which basically just means "rulings") from Sheikhs within the UK to the sort of judgements handed down in Arab prison states when really there is no comparison at all. You wouldn't condemn all Americans based on the fact that some in Utah are allowed more than one wife, or that some in the Deep South can marry their horse, so why get hysterical about a mild Sharia court in London that bears no resemblance at all even to Sharia in progressive Iran, let alone Saudi Arabia or The Sudan?
It all depends how far people want to take it. In a sense, Sharia courts do operate, and have been operating for years, in the UK, but they operate within British law at the same time - for instance they can't rule that someone have their hand chopped off or anything, but they can grant Muslim people divorces and make rulings on family feuds, etc.
I've got no problem with that sort of thing, since it's none of my business, but the idea that British law should embrace the more extreme sorts of rulings that you could find in places like Saudi Arabia is mental - that will never happen. Most British Muslims are glad of that, too, I'd imagine. The idea that they'd welcome death penalties seems a bit crazy to me.
It's the Daily Mail type people who try to confuse the issue by comparing the fact that some Muslims obtain fatwas (which basically just means "rulings") from Sheikhs within the UK to the sort of judgements handed down in Arab prison states when really there is no comparison at all. You wouldn't condemn all Americans based on the fact that some in Utah are allowed more than one wife, or that some in the Deep South can marry their horse, so why get hysterical about a mild Sharia court in London that bears no resemblance at all even to Sharia in progressive Iran, let alone Saudi Arabia or The Sudan?
I don't see what the fuss is all about.
People join clubs and agree to be bound by their terms. That's the law of contract.
Similarly, if two people voluntarily said they prefer to resolve their disputes via a religious mediation, then again that is there choice, and legal rights in the UK to do so.
The Archbishop never said people will be compelled to waive their legal protection.
People join clubs and agree to be bound by their terms. That's the law of contract.
Similarly, if two people voluntarily said they prefer to resolve their disputes via a religious mediation, then again that is there choice, and legal rights in the UK to do so.
The Archbishop never said people will be compelled to waive their legal protection.
That's not the point I was making. I was saying that the tabloid habit of tarring all Muslims with the same brush based on the fact that some advocate morally questionable things is about as absurd as tarring all Americans with the same brush because a tiny minority of them also do bizarro things. The reason for the hypocricy is of course the fact that there is nothing to gain politically by spreading misconceptions about Americans, and everything to gain by doing so with Muslims.luke wrote:i did see documentary about people somewhere in america marrying horsesi don't think theres anything in any of the major religions practicing that but you never know ...
yeah i get that ... but that horse documentarynekokate wrote:That's not the point I was making. I was saying that the tabloid habit of tarring all Muslims with the same brush based on the fact that some advocate morally questionable things is about as absurd as tarring all Americans with the same brush because a tiny minority of them also do bizarro things. The reason for the hypocricy is of course the fact that there is nothing to gain politically by spreading misconceptions about Americans, and everything to gain by doing so with Muslims.
they are in the shops now - i'm surprised you haven't stocked up!Skylace wrote:God, I know I need a creme egg. When I first read the title of this post I thought it sad the Archbishop of Cadbury.
I just watched the Archbishop responding to his critics - he basically told them they should be Christian and accept others! haha, good on him.
I wish I was in a position of authority that meant I could upset the little Englanders who don't know how to separate religion from nationalism. I'd do it every week.
I wish I was in a position of authority that meant I could upset the little Englanders who don't know how to separate religion from nationalism. I'd do it every week.
luckily the only diet i'm on is a varied one, and as such i might have had one at the weekendSkylace wrote:I know they are but I've been doing my best to be good and keep to my new healthy diet.
good luck with the healthy diet - surely one little creme egg won't do you much harm though ...heres some links to the archbishops actual speech, his bbc interview and a follow up;
Archbishop's Lecture - Civil and Religious Law in England: a Religious Perspective
BBC Interview - Radio 4 World at One
What did the Archbishop actually say?
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