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Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:46 pm

Mandy wrote:
Mandy wrote:I am 95.65% match to Former Alaska Senator Mike Gravel (D)

luke wrote:100.00% match for mike gravel ... i'd never even heard of him!

major.tom wrote:Wow! Me too. I'd heard his name, but don't know much about him.
Looks like Luke, major.tom & I are in a stand-off with the Kucinich crowd.

Since I didn't hear much about Gravel on the Media, i was especially interested to see this video
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The video has descriptipn :

America, you are free to do what they tell you.

5 major corporations control our elections, and choose the candidates for president.

This time they are eliminating Mike Gravel. First they marginalized him, then they eliminated him from the Oct. 30 and Nov. 15 debates.

Why?
-He won't be owned by them.
-He speaks truth to power.
-He wants to bring power to us, the people, and take it from the small group that controls things now.

Take back your freedom, look at what Mike Gravel has to offer.

Above all else support someone you really believe in. Don't waste your vote on someone that was chosen for you.

https://www.gravel2008.us/

-Footage from CNN debates--
-Audio: My slightly remixed version of Adam Freeland's We Want Your Soul, and an excerpt from Bill Hicks.-

p.s. I have seen another video in the past with this audio .. I just can't recall which one.

Post by **faceless** » Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:50 pm

that was a pretty cool video Mandy, cheers.

Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:00 am

Is it a coincidence that the two candidates who are "liked" the most on this forum (Gravel and Kucinich) are given the LEAST time in the debate (5 minutes & 8 minutes) versus 22 minutes for Clinton ?

Post by **faceless** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:05 am

I think that probably reflects the producers pandering to polls than anything more sinister. They don't consider what's being said, but what will keep viewers watching - and most viewers will listen more to people they know. It's a vicious circle.

Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:09 am

faceless wrote:I think that probably reflects the producers pandering to polls than anything more sinister. They don't consider what's being said, but what will keep viewers watching - and most viewers will listen more to people they know. It's a vicious circle.

The issue to consider is : why is it that the 2 people "we" came out closest to politically in a "blind test" are the ones least known / least popular in polls?

I think the answer is that the mass media / donations tilt the political landscape to politicians who diverge from policies which are best for the people. This is the point being made by the video.

Post by **faceless** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:23 am

But in their own constituencies they must be popular and they couldn't have achieved that without the media. Kucinich does get some good press if his own website is anything to go by.

https://www.dennis4president.com/home/

Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:32 am

Their local popularity is probably because the local media is "less" controlled by the main corporations.

Post by **faceless** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:57 am

You're not giving much credit to the voters.

pirtybirdy · Post by **pirtybirdy** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:04 am

I don't think this place can be considered a "blind test". Most people who come to this particular forum are from a small group who like George Galloway and have pretty liberal views. That's fine and all, but for an election in a country that has millions of people, I don't think there is as a large a group that shares the views of someone like that. Not a majority that would win an election, that is for sure. Just my two cents on the idea since this this topic seems to be a bit neutral open to others points of view. ;-)

Post by **faceless** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:23 am

I'd say the problem with that majority is that they don't care what happens, and that's because they've been taught that this is the only way to prosper.

luke · Post by **luke** » Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:26 pm

pirtybirdy wrote:I don't think this place can be considered a "blind test". Most people who come to this particular forum are from a small group who like George Galloway and have pretty liberal views. That's fine and all, but for an election in a country that has millions of people, I don't think there is as a large a group that shares the views of someone like that. Not a majority that would win an election, that is for sure. Just my two cents on the idea since this this topic seems to be a bit neutral open to others points of view. ;-)

yeah, but if you check the total results from that https://www.vajoe.com/candidate_calculator.html site ( the one that works out which candidate you agree with most ) its had over 1.5million people and couchtripper probably makes about 10 of those! these are the results;

# Gravel - 13.57%
# Giuliani - 12.07%
# Romney - 10.69%
# Kucinich - 9.76%
# Huckabee - 7.96%
# Biden - 7.35%
# Cox - 6.45%
# Clinton - 4.54%
# Dodd - 4.19%
# Obama - 4.19%
# Hunter - 3.91%
# Tommy Thompson - 3.73%
# Tancredo - 2.69%
# Fred Thompson - 2.55%
# Paul - 1.99%
# Richardson - 1.66%
# Edwards - 1.34%
# Brownback - 1.03%
# Mccain - 0.34%

gravel comes out on top! thats a lot of liberals pirty

scary ( for me ) that giuliani and romney come out in 2nd and 3rd. interesting to note that of the top four candidates that most match peoples opinions, only the two republicans get loads of media coverage - the top two ranking democrats, gravel and kucinich, get way less ...

if you check the total results from https://www.whowouldtheworldelect.com/ they've had 69,830 votes, mostly americans. out of those 69,830 votes 35,618 go to ron paul! the other republicans hardly register ... barak comes in with 14,541 followed by kucinich with 7,173, hillary with 3,624 and gravel with 1,970 - most of the replicans except ron paul get a few hundred ...

luke · Post by **luke** » Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:42 pm

some interesting stats on grassroots support for the candidates. compare ron paul with his leading republican opponent guliani;

Ron Paul
66,648 Members in 1,225 Meetup Groups, 7,398 waiting for a Meetup Group

Rudy Giuliani
13 Members in 1 Meetup Groups, 17 waiting for a Meetup Group

https://www.meetup.com/topics/polact/cand/pres/

Meetups by Topic: USA Presidential

Topics in USA Presidential
Barack Obama
3,491 Members in 65 Meetup Groups, 2,054 waiting for a Meetup Group

Bill Richardson for President 2008
2 Members in 1 Meetup Groups, 1 waiting for a Meetup Group

Chris Dodd for President 2008
1 Members in 1 Meetup Groups, 2 waiting for a Meetup Group

David Cobb
0 Members in 0 Meetup Groups, 44 waiting for a Meetup Group

Dennis Kucinich
1,998 Members in 66 Meetup Groups, 2,550 waiting for a Meetup Group

Draft Al Gore
1,009 Members in 50 Meetup Groups, 729 waiting for a Meetup Group

Draft Mark Warner
0 Members in 0 Meetup Groups, 61 waiting for a Meetup Group

Draft Russ Feingold
71 Members in 2 Meetup Groups, 138 waiting for a Meetup Group

Duncan Hunter for President 2008
391 Members in 19 Meetup Groups, 39 waiting for a Meetup Group

Fred Thompson for President
152 Members in 11 Meetup Groups, 113 waiting for a Meetup Group

George W. Bush
340 Members in 4 Meetup Groups, 1,943 waiting for a Meetup Group

Hillary Clinton
1,062 Members in 38 Meetup Groups, 1,212 waiting for a Meetup Group

Joe Biden for President 2008
0 Members in 0 Meetup Groups, 7 waiting for a Meetup Group

John Cox for President
0 Members in 0 Meetup Groups, 1 waiting for a Meetup Group

John Edwards / One America
1,860 Members in 50 Meetup Groups, 2,345 waiting for a Meetup Group

John Kerry
7,193 Members in 34 Meetup Groups, 14,640 waiting for a Meetup Group

Michael Peroutka
0 Members in 0 Meetup Groups, 579 waiting for a Meetup Group

Michael Smith
0 Members in 0 Meetup Groups, 2 waiting for a Meetup Group

Mike Gravel for President 2008
96 Members in 9 Meetup Groups, 37 waiting for a Meetup Group

Mike Huckabee for President 2008
2,020 Members in 147 Meetup Groups, 440 waiting for a Meetup Group

Mitt Romney for President 2008
24 Members in 5 Meetup Groups, 17 waiting for a Meetup Group

Ralph Nader
17 Members in 3 Meetup Groups, 779 waiting for a Meetup Group

Ron Paul 2008
66,648 Members in 1,225 Meetup Groups, 7,398 waiting for a Meetup Group

Rudy Giuliani
13 Members in 1 Meetup Groups, 17 waiting for a Meetup Group

Sam Brownback for President 2008
0 Members in 0 Meetup Groups, 2 waiting for a Meetup Group

Tom Tancredo
13 Members in 4 Meetup Groups, 44 waiting for a Meetup Group

Wesley Clark
106 Members in 5 Meetup Groups, 679 waiting for a Meetup Group

Popular Topics in USA Presidential

Ron Paul 2008
1,224 Meetup Groups

Mike Huckabee for President 2008
147 Meetup Groups

Dennis Kucinich
66 Meetup Groups

Barack Obama
65 Meetup Groups

John Edwards / One America
50 Meetup Groups

Draft Al Gore
50 Meetup Groups

Hillary Clinton
38 Meetup Groups

John Kerry
34 Meetup Groups

Duncan Hunter for President 2008
19 Meetup Groups

Fred Thompson for President
11 Meetup Groups

Mike Gravel for President 2008
9 Meetup Groups

Wesley Clark
5 Meetup Groups

Mitt Romney for President 2008
5 Meetup Groups

George W. Bush
4 Meetup Groups

Tom Tancredo
4 Meetup Groups

Marcella-FL · Post by **Marcella-FL** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:56 pm

Americans are marketable people. Give us the shiny object and we will vote for it. Kucinich is not seen as being very "presidential looking" so why bother covering him?

I really need to be a better voter and do my research NOW. I saw ONE Ron Paul sign the other day. ONE! That is the ONLY one I have seen.

Post by **faceless** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:08 pm

I think the reason there's a lot of support for Ron Paul (at least online) is because he has brought so many people back to the voting table who would otherwise not be interested in the slightest.

But I'm sure he does represent a fairly large percentage of people, if only they knew that his policies could work well for them.

Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:47 pm

"THE SHOCKING TRUTH ABOUT RON PAUL"

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Note the mention on the video that only Ron Paul and Kucinich speak the truth.
Shows the support for Ron Paul & Kucinch cross party lines.