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theres other pictures where she looks equally nice :)

if only he could be an adviser - i don't think he'll become president, but you never know ... although to be fair, after greg palasts investigative work in to past voting scams and what he's found out about what they're planning i'm almost sure the republicans are going to win, lets just hope its ron paul representing the republicans ... the rest of them are nutters!
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A cursory analysis of Ron Paul's web rankings on Alexa proves that his presidential campaign is soaring while all his nearest rivals are no longer attracting any new visitors and are languishing in the congressmen's wake.

The graph compares Ron Paul's ranking (in blue) with that of Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani:

Ron Paul's website is currently ranked at 13,494 and has risen 9,247 within the last 3 months, a rise of 81%.

Meanwhile Hillary Clinton's site is ranked at 35,143, a drop of over 12,000 in the last three months, with giuliani way down at 121,745.

Ron Paul's online popularity is also reflected in the straw polls and the debate polls he has won.
this could just mean more people are checking his site, it doesn't show they agree with his policies - maybe because he gets less media attention, people are having to look at his site to find out about him. still, its a good sign :)
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that is an interesting graph - I reckon it's probably because people are just keen to find out what he's about. The spike on Clinton's graph is interesting though, what happened around that time I wonder?
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remember a while back mandy posted that web site to the ron paul fund raising scheme for november the 5th ... well ...
Ron Paul's fundraising surprises political establishment

Ron Paul's head-snapping fundraising puts a new face on a campaign that the media, politicians and much of the public had relegated to the sidelines.

The Texas congressman is now the presidential candidate tugging at the establishment's coat.

Funneled almost entirely through the Internet, Paul's one-day loot totaled $4.2 million from about 37,000 donors, considered the largest sum ever collected online in a single day by a GOP candidate.

Paul is indeed an online force who attracts support from people who do not fit easily into the standard Democratic and Republican political pigeonholes. His fame, as much as it is, stems from the political shorthand that has defined his candidacy: The only Republican opposed to the war in Iraq.

But Paul leans libertarian in his ideology and cites the Constitution as his guide. He opposes law enforcement or anti-terrorism measures that he believes encroach on civil liberties. His views on small government extend to weakening if not eliminating the Education Department. He favors limiting immigration and strengthening border security.

In that sense, he appeals to voters who may be happy mixing and matching their political views.

To other Republicans, Paul represents an enigma. Does his support suggest a potential base of support that could surprise them two months from now on caucus day in Iowa or primary day in New Hampshire? Or does the money he is collecting from this below-the-radar base buy him support among more traditional, mainstream voters?

New Hampshire Republican Party Chairman Fergus Cullen said Paul has the potential to upend the early primaries with a third or fourth-place finish in the state, above some of the candidates who are expected to be among the top contenders.

"He's got potential because there is a segment of the Republican electorate that is opposed to the war and is maybe anti-internationalist," Cullen said. "The Pat Buchanan wing of the party, if you will."

Pat Buchanan used an isolationist message and opposition to international trade deals to win the 1996 Republican presidential primary in New Hampshire.

"He has that segment of the electorate all to himself," Cullen said.

A check of Paul's Internet support shows a vast array of fans. Libertarian sites sing his praises, as do anti-war veterans and voters angry at the Internal Revenue Service and at what they perceive is government intrusion.

He also attracts support in some fringe, anti-Semitic or white supremacist Web sites, even though Paul himself strongly rejects those views.

"He has this very small but very enthusiastic group of supporters," said Republican strategist David Winston, who has studied the political use of new media. "It gives him the resources, but his problem is what's the message that grows his support? That he has been unable to solve."

Paul, who raised a stunning $5.2 million in the third quarter of the year, is devoting a significant amount of resources to New Hampshire. He is running a $1.1 million television advertising campaign and his lawn signs are common. He recently sent out a 12-page piece of mail throughout the state as well.

He plans to be in the state on Wednesday and again on Friday. He stops include visits to The Telegraph, the newspaper in Nashua, and a taping with the state's dominant television station WMUR-TV in Manchester. He has eight paid staffers in the state.

Members of the libertarian Free State Project, which adopted New Hampshire in 2003, were Paul's initial toehold in the first-primary state, whose motto is "Live Free or Die." But spokeswoman Kate Rick said that base has grown.

"There's a lot of irritated social conservatives and traditional conservatives," she said. "I think we're also drawing support from independents in the state whose issues may be everything from anti-war to anti-tax or disliking things like No Child Left Behind or how Social Security or Medicaid is being run."

The challenge for Paul is to overcome the riddle posed by Winston:

"Money is a resource, not an outcome."
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Interesting what my single posting lead to (even though it was only live for a few minutes before it was deleted from this site). There must have been a lot of visitors on the site during that short period.

(just kidding)
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Mandy, would you be proud if you thought that your efforts helped to elect a bastard conservative?
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faceless wrote:Mandy, would you be proud if you thought that your efforts helped to elect a bastard conservative?
Whilst I always opposed Maggie (a conservative), she is more left wing than Blair / Brown are now .. that makes Maggie now left of left. So a label "conservative" isn't the issue, it is the policies. Upholding the constitution (civil liberties), no to wars, spiking the Military Industrial Complex's free ride on tax payers and ending the biggest scam in history (the private "Federal Reserve" bank) are policies I support. There are other policies I disagree with [since I believe in social care (NHS, housing etc.)], but if the policies I do support are implemented, then I believe the social side will be better than it is today (even if Ron Paul's policies are implemented on these sectors) --> Ron Paul's good outweighs his bad.

p.s. I support George Galloway, Ken Livingston (as long as he isn't standing against GG), Chavez, Castro and Ron Paul. Wonder what "label" that would make me ?
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The Media’s Plan to Ambush Ron Paul

"The American Republic is in remnant status. The stage is set for our country to devolve into a military dictatorship, and few seem to care." Rep. Ron Paul


First we stop the killing, and then we restore the Constitution. These are our two main priorities. And that’s why I’m voting for Ron Paul. He is the only candidate (with a chance to win) who’s promising to do either. And he’ll keep his word. That makes him the only truly American candidate running for president.

Paul is serious about withdrawing US troops from Iraq. He knows that the war was a mistake and believes that the American occupation must end. He has promised to stop the ongoing slaughter of Iraqi civilians. That should be the primary moral consideration for anyone casting a ballot on November 3.

Will you vote to stop the killing or not? It’s as simple as that.

Paul has also promised to restore the rule of law---to repeal the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act; to reinstate Posse Comitatus, due process, habeas corpus, and the "presumption of innocence". He’ll make sure that US prisoners—whether they are American citizens or foreign nationals---are treated in way that complies with our treaty obligations, the Geneva Conventions, the Bill of Rights, and the basic tenets of human decency.

Under Paul, the torture will stop. Period.

What other candidate will stop the torture of US prisoners? What other candidate will stop the government’s spying on the American people? What other candidate will challenge Bush’s claim that the president can arbitrarily cast an American citizen in prison and keep him there as long as he chooses without charging him with a crime?

Bush has abolished the basic safeguards which protect the citizen from the long-arm of the state. The legal system needs be purged of his executive signing statements and presidential decrees. Only Paul promises to restore the Constitution. There is no second choice.

Paul is the only candidate who grasps the economic problems facing the nation from our massive deficit spending, the destruction of our manufacturing base, and the falling dollar. He may not be able to pull us back from the brink, but he will rebuild confidence in our currency, our markets, and our trade policies. That’s the best we can hope for given the mess that Bush has created.

On November 5, Guy Fawkes Day, the Paul campaign raised over $4.07 million in one day mostly from private citizens. He surpassed all the other candidates except Hilary Clinton and has raised more than $6.84 million in the first five weeks of this quarter alone. Paul’s "purely" grassroots movement is energized by working class Americans who see his candidacy as a last-ditch effort to end the war in Iraq, reestablish fiscal sanity, and restore civil liberties.

Despite the fact that Paul has a strong personal approval ratings and polls well against his competitors; the media has deliberately---and very successfully---kept him out of the public eye. That will be more difficult to do now that his campaign war-chest is packed with contributions and his base of support is expanding across the country.

We expect the media to ditch its failed strategy of simply ignoring Paul and take the more aggressive approach of attacking him outright. Now that Paul has established himself as a credible threat to the warmongering, autocratic corporate elite; he will have to be discredited through a coordinated media-blitz which will target his voting record, his character, and any other trivial foible which may incite public scorn.

He’s got a bull’s-eye on his back.

We’ve seen it all before, haven’t we? The politics of personal destruction organized and directed from the penthouse suites of the media’s corporate offices?

Perhaps, it will be a repeat of the "Dean Scream", where the voice of antiwar candidate Howard Dean was isolated from the crowd noise-- and played on the mainstream media over 900 times in 48 hours---making Dean look like a maniac and torpedoing whatever chance he may have had of winning the Democratic nomination.

Or maybe it will be like John McCain’s "rumored" out-of-wedlock black baby in the North Carolina primary? Or the "Swift-boating" of John Kerry in the 2004 election? Or the attacks on Dan Rather following his report that the president was a slacker who vamoosed from the "Champagne Unit" of the Texas National Guard during wartime?

Whatever the plan may be, we should know by now that the media will continue to act as the chief adversary of the American people and the cause of freedom. That won’t change until the 5 corporate media-giants are brought to account and busted up into a thousand little pieces.

But don’t expect the Paul supporters to throw in the towel like the weak-kneed Dean throng. These guys are stubborn and resolute. And they won’t budge on matters of principle. They’re not taken in by the media’s cheesy smear-campaigns and they won’t jump off the bandwagon at the first sign of trouble.

The Paul crowd has some heavy artillery of their own, too---and they’re wheeling it into place right now. Their ranks are gradually swelling, the money is pouring in, and they are not going to give up their country without a fight.

This election is shaping up to be a clash of ideals between the people who still believe in freedom and those who don’t. It’s going hand-to-hand combat and it’ll probably crack the country in two.

Good. Let the battle begin. As Thomas Jefferson said, "Every generation needs a new revolution."
although i'd still like ron paul to win, because i'm not in america, yesterday listening too and reading some naomi klein got me thinking of his free market stuff and limited spending by government on public services for the people - like privatized disaster response - i don't know, but i wonder if thats the kinda route he'd take - everything would be out there and up for grabs, for those that could afford it ...

the reason i'd like him to win is purely selfish really, end the war, a non interventionist foreign policy for america will mean brown or who ever is next can't take us into these wars - theres no way we'd be doing it on our own without america

but if i was in america, i'd be a bit worried about some of his ideas ...
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Good find & good comments Luke. I can relate to all of that.

I will add that if I was in America, I would be worried a lot more if the other main runners won (especially Hilary)
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yeah i did kinda think, if you don't vote for ron paul - who else you going to vote for?! i don't think gravel or kucinich will make it through ( maybe ron paul won't ) - although to be fair i know less of those two than paul, but i don't think either of them have the kinda grassroots support that he does

the rest of them seem just as bad as each other ( from my admittedly little knowledge of them ), all the republicans except paul are really scary!
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https://kucinich.house.gov

Kucinich Resolution: Impeach Cheney - Article 1

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Thanks Luke.
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Ohio Representative Dennis Kucinich (D)
93.02% match
Former Alaska Senator Mike Gravel (D) - 88.37%
Illinois Senator Barack Obama (D) - 74.42%
Delaware Senator Joseph Biden (D) - 72.09%

hmmm.....
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there we have it Marcella - but I always knew you were cool!
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Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee (R)
89.29% match

Your Other Top Matches
Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney (R) - 82.14%
Colorado Representative Tom Tancredo (R) - 78.57%
Former Tennessee Senator Fred Thompson (R) - 78.57%

I didn't think I'd be a match with Huckabee. I'm quite surprised, as I thought he'd be the least of the party I'd vote for. That was fun. :-)
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