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faceless
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| luke wrote: | | faceless wrote: | | The most important thing that comes from all this is that the large majority of people now realise that they can't carry on using and abusing the planet. Why they'd need a film or anything else to convince them is beyond me though - just look out your window! |
see, i don't think the large majority do think that ... i hope i'm wrong though. regardless of climate change, we need to massively cut back on consumption - the planet just can't sustain it, and its pointless |
Ok, maybe not quite yet, but with all the education and the new 3 R's (reduce, recycle, reuse) being taught from a very young age I think this particular worm has turned.
No doubt that consumption is the main issue though... |
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Griffo
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| faceless wrote: | | luke wrote: | | faceless wrote: | | The most important thing that comes from all this is that the large majority of people now realise that they can't carry on using and abusing the planet. Why they'd need a film or anything else to convince them is beyond me though - just look out your window! |
see, i don't think the large majority do think that ... i hope i'm wrong though. regardless of climate change, we need to massively cut back on consumption - the planet just can't sustain it, and its pointless |
Ok, maybe not quite yet, but with all the education and the new 3 R's (reduce, recycle, reuse) being taught from a very young age I think this particular worm has turned.
No doubt that consumption is the main issue though... |
To be honest though, i've always thought that it's probably too late now anyway. It's ok us doing our bit, but it's just a drop in the ocean compared to the countries who do nothing.
Hopefully i'm wrong though and it's never too late to change  |
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Mandy
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Griffo wrote: | | To be honest though, i've always thought that it's probably too late now anyway. It's ok us doing our bit, but it's just a drop in the ocean compared to the countries who do nothing. |
I agree with that. It is the government action which is most relevant now .. but the governments don't change, but want to brainwash the population that any imposed taxation or reduction in civil liberties is worth it "to save the planet" .. thus using this as an excuse to impose further the Military Industrial Complex's agenda (including taxation to be used for wars, instead of wealth redistribution) |
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faceless
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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There's no choice but to change - how many millions or even billions will die before that happens is the question.
Scotland's got lots of hills and wind though and that's all you need really - hills and wind! |
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Mandy
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| faceless wrote: | There's no choice but to change - how many millions or even billions will die before that happens is the question.
Scotland's got lots of hills and wind though and that's all you need really - hills and wind! |
Yep.. so the government should stop spending money invading other countries, and develop these renewable energy sources
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luke
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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i read the sas survival handbook when i was a kid, so i'm all set for the collapse of society and ready to make houses out of trees and catch rabbits and stuff - i'll be like ray mears 
strange though that cutting consumption is such an important part of any solution, and yet we don't hear anything about it. it just green taxes on flights and driving, take fewer holidays but keep on shopping until you drop whilst flying food all over the planet ...
that message is never going to come from the mainstream media, and until it does, i don't really believe their serious about combating it. |
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Mandy
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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| luke wrote: | strange though that cutting consumption is such an important part of any solution, and yet we don't hear anything about it. it just green taxes on flights and driving, take fewer holidays but keep on shopping until you drop whilst flying food all over the planet ...
that message is never going to come from the mainstream media, and until it does, i don't really believe their serious about combating it. |
I agree .. because all the items they push raises taxes from the masses to pay for overseas wars and thus more profits for the MIC ..
If they are lying to us about the "solution" for global warming, and reasons we go to war against others, then why should we believe anything about what they are saying, including their claim that most scientists agree than global warming is man induced. |
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faceless
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| If you fart in a tent it stinks it out - that's global warming in a nutshell. |
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Mandy
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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Yep.. and cows do lot more farting .. but we don't kill them all.
Actually "global warming" in a sense is good in that clouds cause global warming which keeps the night much hotter than they would normally be .. thus stabalising the temperature difference between night and day |
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faceless
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| I wouldn't have a cow in my tent (well admittedly, there was this one incident...) |
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luke
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| faceless wrote: | | I wouldn't have a cow in my tent (well admittedly, there was this one incident...) |
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Mandy
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eefanincan
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| Lostinthestates wrote: | | I really don't get this! How did Gore contribute to Peace?? Just because he made one film/book surely doesn't qualify him! Also I read that the chemistry noble price went to someone solving the problem of turning harmful CO into CO2 (your catalytic converter in cars) - although he never invented that but this process was invented by industry. Politics rule I guess!! |
I agree with you Lost. Although I think, on general principles, that what Al Gore has done to make people more aware of the environment is a good thing, I fail to see how it contributes to world peace. Don't get me wrong, he's done a lot of good, but I don't think it deserves a Nobel prize. I think there are people all over the world who, quietly do their thing, that have more "effect" on peace than this. |
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Mandy
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I agree.
GG & the anti-war movement deserve the Nobel Peace prize for both trying to stop the last two invasions of Iraq & Afghanistan, and doing their best to stop an attack on Iran.
This just cheapens the whole Nobel institute .. and makes it clear that all these "prizes" are just political sweets to give to the favored few (that is favored by the pro-war western governments) |
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faceless
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:20 am Post subject: |
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| There will be wars over dwindling resources and land caused by global warming - I think that's the reasoning. |
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