Led Zepplin were thieves?

[nekokate]

Kind of like how Tarantino stole idea after idea from Japanese cinema. I don't think it's possible to make anything totally original in any medium anymore, it's all been done.

(edited for crap spelling)

[Marcella-FL]

reminds me of Spider Robinson's short story Melancholy Elephants ... here is a link to a text doc of it:

https://www.baen.com/chapters/W200011/0671319744___1.htm

save it as a text file and head on down to page 6 ... that's where it gets interesting!

here are bits that get you thinking:

"Do you know how old art is, Senator?"
"As old as man, I suppose. In fact, it may be part of the definition."
"Good answer," she said. "Remember that. But for all present-day intents and purposes, you might as well say that art is a little over 15,600 years old. That's the age of the oldest surviving artwork, the cave paintings at Lascaux. Doubtless the cave-painters sang, and danced, and even told stories—but these arts left no record more durable than the memory of a man. Perhaps it was the story tellers who next learned how to preserve their art. Countless more generations would pass before a workable method of musical notation was devised and standardized. Dancers only learned in the last few centuries how to leave even the most rudimentary record of their art.

"There are eighty-eight notes. One hundred and seventy-six, if your ear is good enough to pick out quarter tones. Add in rests and so forth, different time signatures. Pick a figure for maximum number of notes a melody can contain. I do not know the figure for the maximum possible number of melodies—too many variables—but I am sure it is quite high.
"I am certain that it is not infinity.
"For one thing, a great many of those possible arrays of eighty-eight notes will not be perceived as music, as melody, by the human ear. Perhaps more than half. They will not be hummable, whistleable, listenable—some will be actively unpleasant to hear. Another large fraction will be so similar to each other as to be effectively identical: if you change three notes of the Moonlight Sonata, you have not created something new.

... art is long, not infinite. `The Magic goes away.' One day we will use it up—unless we can learn to recycle it like any other finite resource."

Given eight billion artists with effective working lifetimes in excess of a century, we can no longer allow individuals to own their discoveries in perpetuity. We must do it the way the human race did it for a million years—by forgetting, and rediscovering. Because one day the infinite number of monkeys will have nothing else to write except the complete works of Shakespeare. And they would probably rather not know that when it happens.

oh I could quote it all day ... just read it and come back and discuss!

[faceless]

There's a genre of music that I absolutely hate called 'dischordant' - I'm not sure, but I think that's a fairly new invention.

[Marcella-FL]

[faceless]

New in relation to the 15000 years of human history mentioned in the article...

and yeah, chucking instruments off a roof is how it feels to me too - haha

[major.tom]

That makes me think of some modern "classical" music -- I prefer music to have a melody of some kind. It's probably alot of fun for the musicians to play something complex vs. the stuff they've played hundreds of times. But it doesn't do much for me.

One of my favourite rock groups is Yes. Their music seems unlike most rock, probably due to their classical training. But its different without being abstract.

I'm curious, who you all think pushes the boundaries of music? (in a good way, that is)

[6ULDV8]