the guy who puts on glastonbury got one as well ... its a right odd list, nicky clarke for 'services to hairdressing' come on ... services to hairdressing?! the guy who plays dame edna everage as well ... the whole things ridiculous, except shami's of course why did they hate the uk though for a book that he wrote? i mean, i can understand now, cos he's been knighted, but before?Mandy wrote:Rushdie made a LOT of people hate the UK .. and the knighthood reopened old wounds, and EVEN WORSE now taints the UK with effectively "agreeing" with Rushdie's views.
Mandy wrote:This clearly was a Blair action in his final days, and now Bush is considering making Blair a Middle East envoy : https://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/uk_ ... 222848.stm
Like asking Hitler to look after the camp survivors after WWII
thats articles weird, its start off talking terrorism, then goes on to gun crime and bad behavior etc - are those now classed as terrorism along with animal rights protesters etc?Mandy wrote:Everything is being done "by the powers that be" to create a clash of civilizations (i.e. WW4/WW5) where citizens will ALL be losers, but the MIC will be more powerful and rich. Brown is continuing this :
Because the government can always find ways to stop a book if they don't like it, especially by a "foreigner". Also the millions in tax money spent on police protection (as opposed to Rushdie paying for the extra security like most other "celebrities") gives Rushdie a veneer of establishment backing, especially when the government on this point was a pole bearer for freedom of speech (which is quickly forgotten of-course when other people discuss taboo topics)luke wrote:why did they hate the uk though for a book that he wrote? i mean, i can understand now, cos he's been knighted, but before?
Yep .. POLICE STATE ... indeed, in USA most protests are now legally classified as terrorism (including holding up traffic because you are causing economic loss to other citizens by delaying them)luke wrote: thats articles weird, its start off talking terrorism, then goes on to gun crime and bad behavior etc - are those now classed as terrorism along with animal rights protesters etc?
theres never anything to do with addressing the grievances of 'extremists'
cough cough police state!
was it only this country that is was released in though? i can kinda see with the protection thing, he shouldn't have got it anyway - not paid for by tax payersMandy wrote:Because the government can always find ways to stop a book if they don't like it, especially by a "foreigner". Also the millions in tax money spent on police protection (as opposed to Rushdie paying for the extra security like most other "celebrities").
thats crazy, its like those people arrested the other week in london for wearing hezbollah and hamas tee shirts. i'm amazed really at what they're getting away with nowMandy wrote:Yep .. POLICE STATE ... indeed, in USA most protests are now legally classified as terrorism (including holding up traffic because you are causing economic loss to other citizens by delaying them)
yeah i check his stuff now and then, he rants on a bitMandy wrote:Alex Jones on https://prisonplanet.com/ covers this
but they have some good articles up - as long they link to sourcesI think it was translated to many languages. The issue is similar to when an ethnic minority is called names by the dominant class; versus the ethnic minority calling the dominant class a name. The former is more serious due to the "background".luke wrote:was it only this country that is was released in though? i can kinda see with the protection thing, he shouldn't have got it anyway - not paid for by tax payers
Designer rejects MBE from 'morally corrupt' Blair
James Orr and Peter Walker
Wednesday June 20, 2007
Guardian Unlimited
The co-founder of lingerie brand Agent Provocateur today rejected his MBE after branding Tony Blair "morally corrupt".
Joseph Corre was awarded the title for his services to the fashion industry in the Queen's birthday honours list last week.
But today Mr Corre, the son of fashion designer Dame Vivienne Westwood, took the decision to refuse the award, saying he could not accept the prime minister as "someone capable of giving an honour".
Mr Corre, 39, said in a statement: "After some serious reflection I have decided that I cannot accept it.
"I have been chosen by an organisation headed by a prime minister whom I find morally corrupt.
"To accept this MBE as an honour would mean to me that I would have to accept the prime minister as someone capable of giving an honour, ie, an honourable man, which I cannot find it in my heart to do."
Mr Corre and his wife and co-founder of Agent Provocateur, Serena Rees, set out to create a lingerie brand devoid of "British prudery" more than 10 years ago.
The couple opened their first store in Soho, London, in December 1994. The chain has since expanded to 30 shops worldwide.
Their stores, website and catalogue business now sell everything from classy underwear to whips.
Ms Rees, 38, also received an MBE together with her husband, but is said to be "delighted" to have been recognised.
A spokeswoman for the chain said Ms Rees would not be rejecting the honour. The spokeswoman said: "It is a great achievement for her personally, and indeed for the company that her contribution to fashion has been acknowledged in this way."
A spokeswoman for the Cabinet Office, which compiled the Honours list, said Mr Corre had earlier written to Downing Street confirming he would accept an MBE.
Neither the Cabinet Office's ceremonial secretariat nor Downing Street's ceremonial unit had been notified about Mr Corre's subsequent change of heart, she said.
"We have not heard anything from him. However if he wants to go back on it, it is a fairly easy process. He just needs to let someone know and they won't invite him to the investiture, where the Queen hands out the medals," the spokeswoman said.
Mr Corre's statement began: "Initially I was very flattered to have my work with Agent Provocateur recognised by the establishment.
"It even gave me a kick to imagine what some of the bureaucrats and censors I have had to fight up to now must think.
"However, after some serious reflection I have decided that I cannot accept it ... This in no way reflects on my opinion of the Queen whom I respect and would be honoured to have as a customer."
Mr Corre said the Agent Provocateur team should all "stand proud for what they have accomplished" and "don't need a medal to prove it".
https://politics.guardian.co.uk/news/sto ... 33,00.html
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Full text of Joseph Corre's statement
The following is the full statement issued today by Joseph Corre of Agent Provocateur about his MBE award
Wednesday June 20, 2007
Guardian Unlimited
Initially I was very flattered to have my work with Agent Provocateur recognised by the establishment.
It even gave me a kick to imagine what some of the bureaucrats and censors I have had to fight up to now must think.
However, after some serious reflection I have decided that I cannot accept it.
I have been chosen by an organisation headed by a prime minister who I find morally corrupt, who has been involved in organised lying to the point where thousands of people including children have suffered death, detention and torture in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Furthermore, against this backdrop, we are to have our hard-fought civil liberties eroded as a consequence (don't forget Jean Charles de Menezes or our rights to habeas corpus).
To accept this MBE as an honour would mean to me that I would have to accept the prime minister as someone capable of giving an honour - ie, an honourable man, which I cannot find it in my heart to do.
This in no way reflects on my opinion of the Queen, whom I respect and would be honoured to have as a customer. In fact I think she would agree with me.
This has been a personal decision because the MBE is a personal award. [Co-founder] Serena Rees will make her own personal decision as to accepting this award.
However, the team at Agent Provocateur should all stand proud for what they have accomplished this far and they don't need a medal to prove it.
Joseph Corre Knickers Forever!
https://politics.guardian.co.uk/news/sto ... 43,00.html
I read The Satanic Verses. I liked it very much. It is a bit slow at the beginning I admit but worth reading.luke wrote:what did people think of salman rushdie receiving a knighthood?
has anyone ever read the satanic verses? i don't know really know anything about it, except it angered a lot of people and fomented divisions
the media are jumping all over the anger his receiving a knighthood has caused around the world
the only person i see on the honors list who i was pleased to see there was shami chakrabarti from liberty
full article at https://books.guardian.co.uk/news/articl ... 66,00.htmlThe committee that recommended Salman Rushdie for a knighthood did not discuss any possible political ramifications and never imagined that the award would provoke the furious response that it has done in parts of the Muslim world, the Guardian has learnt.
It also emerged yesterday that the writers' organisation that led the lobbying for the author of Midnight's Children and The Satanic Verses to be knighted had originally hoped that the honour would lead to better relations between Britain and Asia.
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It was chaired by Lord Rothschild, the investment banker and former chairman of the trustees of the National Gallery. The other committee members are Jenny Abramsky, the BBC's director of radio and music; novelist and poet Ben Okri, who is vice-president of the English chapter of PEN International, which campaigns on behalf of writers who face persecution; Andreas Whittam Smith, former editor of the Independent; John Gross, the author and former theatre critic of the Sunday Telegraph; and two permanent secretaries, one from the Department for Culture, Media and Sport and one from the Scottish executive.
