EE: Sign on the Dotted line- June Brown agrees to a new deal

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Ok, but Cheers was pretty tame really. How often did you see people actually getting drunk and fighting in the way that Eastenders features so often? It's crossing that line which I think american producers would baulk at.

One other aspect is that the show is aimed at working-class people with little disposable income (even though it has many characters who are aspirational in the way they are still supposedly "salt-of-the-earth"). Would that appeal to the advertisers who would provide the funding?

I just keep thinking of Roseanne as the starting point as far as American tv is concerned.

[Skylace]

Ok, but Cheers was pretty tame really. How often did you see people actually getting drunk and fighting in the way that Eastenders features so often? It's crossing that line which I think american producers would baulk at.

One other aspect is that the show is aimed at working-class people with little disposable income (even though it has many characters who are aspirational in the way they are still supposedly "salt-of-the-earth"). Would that appeal to the advertisers who would provide the funding?

I just keep thinking of Roseanne as the starting point as far as American tv is concerned.

Yes but what about House? The drug addicted, mouthy doctor who at 6pm I watched talk to a little person about how her parents must have had sex? Or the time he woke up in a pool of his own vomit on the floor? Or Hill Street Blues that was on in the 80s? It was a gritty cop show that aired at 9est which meant it was on as early as 6pm on the west coast. It had drugs, sex, violence, the lot. Or LA Law? Any of the CSI shows? They are far worse then EE and much gritter.

[Skylace]

Also, what about "All in th Family" the show that was a spin off of "Till Death Do Us Part". It was on in the 70s in the states. It was blue collar and very daring for it's time dealing with racism, rape, sex, and was on at regular sitcom hours. That was long before Roseanne and the like

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but don't they broadcast shows later according to timezone? I just can't imagine Hill Street Blues being on at 6pm, though I completely accept that as a brilliant show.

What time is Eastenders currently broadcast on satellite channels? That's probably a good indicator.

[Skylace]

but don't they broadcast shows later according to timezone? I just can't imagine Hill Street Blues being on at 6pm, though I completely accept that as a brilliant show.

What time is Eastenders currently broadcast on satellite channels? That's probably a good indicator.

House is on at 7pm (sometimes at six) here. If you've ever seen American shows advertised it's like this 9/8c (which means 9pm EST, 8pm Central, 7pm Mountain, and 6pm on the West coast). When I lived in Indiana as a kid Hill Street Blues was on at 8pm Central. I wasn't allowed to watch it.

EDIT: And there will be differences at times of course, but I know a lot of shows that show at 9 on the east coast are on here at 6 or 7.

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On thinking I reckon this is more of a class thing, are there any american shows that show normal unprofessional people living their lives, ducking and diving where needed? Can you imagine a Philly Keith? While I'm on that idea, the completely unbelievable character of "Bradley", whose acceptance into a "bank in the city" I don't think for a minute is believable - what's that about? how many people in the East End could come from nothing and get in to these establishments? I'll tell you - very, very few, if at all... He just wouldn't have the social contacts.

Also, now that I think - who in the East End actually cares about the private life of their doctor? It's a load of bollocks! The people in the east end of Glasgow would see them as outsiders, without a shadow of a doubt. They have no reason to complain about anything as they have their own washing machines!

Ok, so it's late and I probably wouldn't think this much about a soap-opera at any other time, but what the hell... haha

[Skylace]

On thinking I reckon this is more of a class thing, are there any american shows that show normal unprofessional people living their lives, ducking and diving where needed? Can you imagine a Philly Keith? While I'm on that idea, the completely unbelievable character of "Bradley", whose acceptance into a "bank in the city" I don't think for a minute is believable - what's that about? how many people in the East End could come from nothing and get in to these establishments? I'll tell you - very, very few, if at all... He just wouldn't have the social contacts.

Also, now that I think - who in the East End actually cares about the private life of their doctor? It's a load of bollocks! The people in the east end of Glasgow would see them as outsiders, without a shadow of a doubt. They have no reason to complain about anything as they have their own washing machines!

Ok, so it's late and I probably wouldn't think this much about a soap-opera at any other time, but what the hell... haha

Yes, it is just a show.

However, there have been many blue collar shows in America. Starting with the Honeymooners.

[Marcella-FL]

But how many dramas ? ... I just don't see it working well.

[Skylace]

But how many dramas ? ... I just don't see it working well.

We've had Hill Street Blues, NYPD just to name a few.

The only reason I don't think it would work is because in the current format on regular syndication is because I don't think people would want it. They just tried the Black Donnelly's and that bombed.

[Aja]

I just don't think it would work for many reasons , some that have been mentioned already ,

A keith miller in philly being one of them, There is no way they could get a Square together like EE has .....lets face it...can u give me one place in America where you will see such a mix up of people living ? Black ...white.....Indian....Turkish....Greek....? a place where everyone would eat everymorning ? A market ??? A pub ??? A Club??? Mob types ??
docters ??? a laundry??

It just would not work .....plus theres no black cabs .....No tube.....and where would they all go when they get in troble ??? Florida??? and then theres the drinking age here....lol i could go on and on and on .....

It would never work ............

[Marcella-FL]

I was thinking of the Black Donelleys too!

I wasn't saying a drama doesn't work ... I was saying that the EE format as it stands (1/2 hour drama) doesn't work here ... PLUS you couldn't have it revolve around a bar here. The religious right wouldn't support it.

I just don't think it would work for many reasons , some that have been mentioned already ,

A keith miller in philly being one of them, There is no way they could get a Square together like EE has .....lets face it...can u give me one place in America where you will see such a mix up of people living ? Black ...white.....Indian....Turkish....Greek....? a place where everyone would eat everymorning ? A market ??? A pub ??? A Club??? Mob types ?? docters ??? a laundry?? It just would not work .....plus theres no black cabs .....No tube.....and where would they all go when they get in troble ??? Florida??? and then theres the drinking age here....lol i could go on and on and on .....

I keep thinking Boston near Quincy Market. Boston has subways, cabs, etc. etc. It also has a history, a conflict between working class and aspiring middle class bougie.

And yeah they would escape to Florida!

When I think of this idea I keep picturing Spike Lee's "Do The Right Thing" ... it revolved around a pizza place in the Bedford-Stuyvesant section of Brooklyn ...

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When I think of this idea I keep picturing Spike Lee's "Do The Right Thing" ... it revolved around a pizza place in the Bedford-Stuyvesant section of Brooklyn ...

You'd probably have to fight the powers that be to get anything like that in an evening soap opera...