Ron Paul : Stop Dreaming

Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:43 am

Aja, Never too late to join a thread.

Some conspiracies are crap (and mis-information). But some conspiracies are fact.

Wonder what argument you were fighting over.

popinjay · Post by **popinjay** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:49 am

Aja wrote:cut a long story short most peeps was so cheap ...and even wanted to share kids meals ....sighs

That's libertarians for you. Wouldn't give a penny to save a dying man.

Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:51 am

Ron Paul isn't targeting the mega rich .. We should feel sympathy for people who share kids meals, not criticize them.

[web]https://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 419318.ece[/web]

popinjay · Post by **popinjay** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:59 pm

Mandy wrote:Ron Paul isn't targeting the mega rich

That would be a very specific voter base. It would favour them the most though, and the poor/middle class would all be robbed blind. He's like General Pinochet without the authoritarianism.

Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:44 pm

popinjay wrote: That would be a very specific voter base. It would favour them the most though, and the poor/middle class would all be robbed blind. He's like General Pinochet without the authoritarianism.

Like Blair without Iraq/Afghanistan ?

I also don't agree .. it is the poor/middle class which are being robbed by the present setup

As I wrote earlier in the thread:
"Coming from inside the "Republican" side clearly carries a stigma. His policy to abolish taxation goes against the socialist policies which I support in the UK to raise taxation for the higher earners.

I can't help feeling that in the US, the tax system is there to take from the poor, and give to the rich (such as the Military Industrial complex), with the richest paying the least taxes in % terms. Thus the cancellation of the tax system would actually keep the wealth with the poorest people.

Of-course it would be better to cancel the tax system for the poorest, and keep it for the higher earners."

popinjay · Post by **popinjay** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:01 am

Mandy wrote:I also don't agree .. it is the poor/middle class which are being robbed by the present setup

Moreso.

Mandy wrote:Thus the cancellation of the tax system would actually keep the wealth with the poorest people.

You don't realise how much the government (even the American one) does for the people. Libertarians support the privitisation of everything. Roads, schools, etc. If everybody is paying the same amount to use public services, the lower classes are obviously going to be hit much harder.

Read up about Pinochet's free market policies in Chile.

Post by **faceless** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:29 pm

[web]https://www.infowars.com/articles/us/ron ... begins.htm[/web]

I'm not one to quote from infowars usually, but this story has more than a ring of truth about it...

I've watched Ron Paul a fair few times now as a non-american who is interested to see that there are genuine alternatives to the neo-con agenda, and I'm sure a lot of the numbers on these videos come from people like me around the world - and I'm sure those same people aren't really that bothered about watching Giuliani or the others.

luke · Post by **luke** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:45 pm

the elites must be getting scared ... i expect the attacks will get more furious as his support grows. some of things they've been doing already are so out of order - shows their contempt for democracy really

its great though seeing the grassroots movement behind him, we need something like that here!

Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:47 pm

luke wrote:its great though seeing the grassroots movement behind him, we need something like that here!

I hope George Galloway's leads to the awakening of the grassroots movement in the UK.

Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:49 pm

popinjay wrote:You don't realise how much the government (even the American one) does for the people. Libertarians support the privitisation of everything. Roads, schools, etc. If everybody is paying the same amount to use public services, the lower classes are obviously going to be hit much harder.

Read up about Pinochet's free market policies in Chile.

Pinochet sold his country to the corporations. If the US government under Ron Paul saves TRILLIONS by avoiding needless wars, which also leads to LOWER gas prices (which hits the poor disproportionately), then I do believe the poor will be MUCH better off under Ron Paul than under the current or Hilary regime.

luke · Post by **luke** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 7:21 pm

Mandy wrote:I hope George Galloway's leads to the awakening of the grassroots movement in the UK.

as much i'd like to see that happen, although i don't agree with everything he says, i can't see it - he's really not liked by most people. i don't think one my mates has thought favorably of him, admittedly they don't really follow whats going on, but thats like a lot of the country i reckon

i had an 'heated discussion' last weekend about him ( and war and politics in general ) with some people who used to live in scotland, according to them 'everyone in scotland hates him' - i pointed out if that was the case then how did he manage to win his seat in scotland numerous times ( besides, how do they know what every person in scotland thinks?! ) ... the medias got a lot to answer for, they were so sure he'd been found guilty of the saddam/oil thing a while back - even me explaining it all, the medias so powerful its almost like they can't get their heads round it - its like i'm talking martian, and unless martians speak with a mix of a west country and london accent, i don't sound martian!

if respect is to progress, it needs to become more than just galloway and salmah ... i can't name any other respect person. i mean look at the money they've raised ... its not a good sign. i can see why he wrote that letter a few weeks back dissing how respect was run

anyway this is getting a bit of topic

Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 7:39 pm

I should re-watch the "Pink Floyd - Goodbye Cruel World/Is There Anybody Out There?" music video.

It might cheer me up after reading the above.

luke · Post by **luke** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 7:45 pm

sorry mandy, didn't mean to put a downer on things - but to progress forward we need to honestly assess were we are now ... and going by the contents of the letter galloway did a while back he knows the score as well

lucky i didn't tell you that a lot of people haven't even heard of respect ... opps

Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 7:47 pm

I think GG has a big following from British people who have links to the middle-east.

Recall the millions who viewed the Senate & Sky performances.

I don't know of any other politician who is closer to the leftist grass-roots, and who has a national platform in the UK.

Note the 000's (over 7,000 i think) friends of GG on facebook & myspace. No politician in the UK is even close to that level.

Mandy · Post by **Mandy** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:33 pm

To counter the MSM's claims of internet hoax :
[web]https://mparent7777-2.blogspot.com/2007/ ... ll-by.html[/web]