New York Times Interview - July 2008
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To Be, or to Be Broad, in Service of ‘Hamlet 2’
By Charles McGrath
Aug. 15, 2008
Mr. Coogan, 42, is best known for his character Alan Partridge, who began as a clueless sports reporter with an excessive interest in “groinal†injuries and then evolved into a supremely confident and sublimely uninformed talk show host. With his blow-dried hair and toothy smile, Partridge is like David Frost without a brain. Other Coogan characters frequently appearing on TV or in live performances (and anthologized on YouTube) are Paul and Pauline Calf, a mullet-wearing yob and his man-eating sister; Tony Ferrino, a smarmy Portuguese singer; and Tommy Saxondale, a drug-damaged ex-roadie who works as an exterminator.
These people are more than the lightly sketched personas that comedians so often adopt with a few catchphrases or some exaggerated facial expressions. They’re full-fledged characters, with elaborate histories and very specific traits and mannerisms, closer in some ways to genuine dramatic roles than to stand-up shtick. In Britain some critics have even complained that Tommy Saxondale, the newest of the Coogan creations and the main character in a recent BBC sitcom, is so layered and complicated that he’s entirely convincing but not particularly funny.
“The big comic performance is a very obvious thing to do,†said Mr. Coogan, who also appears this summer as a hapless director blown to smithereens in “Tropic Thunder.†“The bolder, more inventive thing sometimes is the subtler, understated performance with minute shades and variations.â€
Mr. Coogan appears in practically every frame of “Hamlet 2,†and no one would call his performance understated. He plays Dana Marschz (pronounced any number of ways), a failed actor turned high school drama teacher who tries to save his job by writing, directing and starring in a musical sequel to “Hamlet†that involves both the Gospel and interplanetary travel. In the play’s big set piece, he descends from heaven, while a pair of low-rider hot rods bounce in approval, and belts out a ballad called “Rock Me Sexy Jesus.â€
For Marschz, life itself is theater, his own life especially, and he shamelessly resorts to every bad acting trick there is. He mugs, he weeps, he preens, he sulks — he overdoes everything. He may be an even bigger jerk, if a slightly smarter one, than Steve Martin’s Navin R. Johnson character, and Mr. Coogan’s task in the film is somehow to make him endearing as well.
Andrew Fleming, the director of “Hamlet 2,†said recently that he and Pam Brady, who wrote it with him, toyed for a while with the idea of having Mr. Coogan play the character as British. “Steve kept resisting,†Mr. Fleming recalled, “and finally he explained that this kind of unbridled enthusiasm without any intelligence behind it just doesn’t exist in England. There’s no equivalent.†“It’s a good part,†he added. “We could have set this up with a studio and probably got any one of seven likely suspects†— brand-name comic actors, that is. But working with a studio would have meant castrating the script, he and Ms. Brady figured, and after meeting with Mr. Coogan they decided they weren’t interested in anyone else, anyway.
“It’s playing for very high stakes,†Mr. Coogan said about the part. “If you blink or if you hesitate, you will fail. It’s like running across hot coals. If you stop and think about what you’re doing, you won’t make it. But if you can do a really big performance and pull it off — the stakes are high, but so are the rewards.â€
Wait a minute. Didn’t he just say that smaller and subtler was better? Mr. Coogan shrugged. “I’m a populist,†he said. “I want to have it both ways. I like to make people laugh.†His model, he added, was Jack Lemmon, who “even when he was being funny, even when his performance was very, very big, had the ability to invest himself emotionally in what he did, so it was always faithful, and that made it very watchable.â€
Recalling Mr. Coogan’s performance, Mr. Fleming said: “Steve has the ability to go way out there — he has the chops. And every now and then we had to pull it in a little. We’d wind up with something that was maybe less comically brilliant, but also more real. It was a calibration thing.â€
In person, at least with people he doesn’t know well, Mr. Coogan is much more subdued than he is onstage or on screen. He practically bends over not to be funny, and his discussions of acting could almost, with just a little more earnestness, a little more self-consciousness, be Partridgean. Like a lot of very funny people, what he most seems to want is to be taken seriously.
Mr. Coogan grew up in Manchester, a middle child in a big Irish Catholic family made even bigger by his parents’ willingness to take in foster children. The way he got attention, he said, was by being funny and doing voices, and like most Britons of his generation, he was hugely influenced by American television.
An indifferent student, he skipped college in favor of drama school, and while there he began doing voice-overs for commercials. “ ’Lowest prices ever,’ ‘Everything must go’ — that was my first real acting job,†he said, “though I was criticized for not being committed enough to my Stanislavskyesque technique.†To get into the actors’ union, Mr. Coogan also began doing stand-up, and in 1988 he was hired to do voices for “Spitting Image,†the satirical puppet show. He stayed for five years, impersonating, among others, the politicians John Major, Neil Kinnock and Margaret Thatcher, as well as American celebrities like Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone. “It was a big break for me,†he said. “But at the same time I wasn’t taken seriously.†He briefly put on a posh accent and explained, “I wasn’t treading the boards with the R.S.C.,†the Royal Shakespeare Company. “I was perceived as the funny-voice guy, and the funny-voice guy doesn’t have gravitas. So I needed instant gravitas, which is pretty hard to come by when you’re 22.â€
The solution was to abandon impressions — a “kind of glorified party trick,†he decided — in favor of characters he created himself, and he was clever enough, he says, to enlist the aid of people smarter than he was. The Partridge character, for example, was developed with the help of the playwright Patrick Marber and the writer Peter Baynham, who went on to work with Sacha Baron Cohen on “Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan.â€
In the fall Mr. Coogan is taking several of his characters on tour in a big, vaudeville-style show that will play in arenas all over England. But his popular success there has become a mixed blessing. “Even worse than being unknown is being a known quantity,†he said. “You’re always being prejudged.â€
What appealed to him about “Hamlet 2,†he added, was that it offered a chance to do something different. When he first saw the script, he didn’t think much of the title, but he was won over by an early scene that established Marschz’s history of making high school plays out of movies like “Erin Brockovich.†“That was such a subtle comic choice,†he said. “I was just hoping and praying that the rest of the script would be as consistent.â€
Marschz is a terrible actor, Mr. Coogan admitted, and that’s the fun of the part. “There’s a joy in not being subtle but being justified in doing it,†he said. “The character is very overstimulated, almost childlike. He gives me license to do things that would normally be anathema to me.â€
He added: “In the U.K. there are very few opportunities for me to experiment except within this little universe I’ve created. But here I can afford to take a big chance and hope it pays off. I figure time may pass me by, so I might as well put all my chips in the middle of the table and see what happens.â€
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Steve Coogan: The Jerry Seinfeld of England
The British comedian stars in 'Hamlet 2,' directed by former O.C. resident Andrew Fleming.
By BARRY KOLTNOW
The Orange County Register[/align]
When Steve Coogan's agent called about a job offer for a movie called "Hamlet 2," the British actor said he hated the title, and refused to star in the movie.
"I eventually agreed to read the script because I liked the work of the director (former Orange County resident Andrew Fleming), but I still didn't like the title. I thought it was an awful title because it misrepresented the film. I begged them to change it, but they insisted that it was funny. And I had to trust them," he added with a shrug. "Andy and Pam (Brady of "South Park" fame) are not idiots when it comes to deciding what's funny."
Fleming and Brady, who co-wrote the script and produced the film, staunchly defended the title, and said it made them laugh. "I thought someone at the studio would say that it sounded too artsy," said Fleming, who earlier wrote and directed the political spoof "Dick." "But more people got the joke than I expected." Brady, who also co-wrote the animated film "South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut," joked that she thought the title was appropriate because "this has been a summer of sequels so why not one more?"
The comedy, which began generating buzz after it received an enthusiastic response at this year's Sundance Film Festival, is not a sequel to Shakespeare's masterpiece, but the title is not as deceptive as Coogan originally thought.
Coogan, who already is in theaters playing the hilarious but ill-fated movie director in Ben Stiller's big-budget hit "Tropic Thunder," portrays a hapless, good-hearted and talent-challenged actor who fails miserably at his chosen profession and ends up teaching a high school drama class in Tucson.
In this twisted and wickedly offbeat nod to inspirational teacher movies such as "Dead Poets Society" and "Mr. Holland's Opus," Coogan's character writes, directs and stars in an outrageous and politically incorrect musical-theater sequel to "Hamlet" that sparks intense local protests that expand into a national outcry.
Although Coogan enjoys a modest following in the United States (from his films "24 Hour Party People," "Tristram Shandy: A Cock and Bull Story" and "Night at the Museum," in which he played the miniature Roman soldier Octavius), the 42-year-old Brit is a comedy legend in his native country. He is best-known for his TV work, particularly as the character Alan Partridge.
"This guy can't walk down the street in England without people running up to him and repeating lines from his shows," Fleming said. "He's like Jerry Seinfeld in England." Fleming and Brady said they were big fans of Coogan's before they cast the film (Fleming for "24 Hour Party People" and Brady for the Alan Partridge character), but never thought he would agree to do the role.
"Frankly, we made the offer just to meet him," Brady said. "We never thought in a million years we could get him." Coogan said he agreed to meet with the writers, even though he thought the title of their script was a mistake. "From the moment I read the script, I completely understood this character," the actor said. "He has the same DNA as many of the characters I've played in England."
What really sold Coogan on the script, he said, was an early scene in the movie when the misguided drama teacher Dana Marschz (don't feel bad; nobody knows how to pronounce it) directs his high school class in a musical based on the film "Erin Brockovich,"
"That choice was totally faithful to a certain kind of character," Coogan explained during a chat in his Beverly Hills hotel suite. "At that moment, I knew it was going to be funny, and I knew the audience would feel compassion for this fellow. There's an earnestness in a decision to put on a musical production of 'Erin Brockovich,' and yet it is a terrible lack of judgment."
Brady described the character she and Fleming created as "delusional, but he never gives up." Coogan, 42, said the character is different than most movie comedy characters in that he is so emotionally open and vulnerable. "Most comedy comes from a place of duplicity and concealment. It comes from trying to present yourself in a certain way that is a lie. The comedy tension comes out of that. I usually play darker characters that are kind of twisted, and it was fun to play someone who is not cynical, who is so open and says what he feels.
"Normally, I play characters who you have to get the audience to like, but this character is so well-intentioned and always trying to do the right thing that the audience has to be on his side. The film seems to mock him at first, but the audience sticks by him."
Coogan admits that it can get a little uncomfortable to watch this pathetic guy stumble through his life, but the actor said he is accustomed to playing these types of characters. "I can't tell you how many times in England that women come up to me and say: 'My husband loves your comedy but I can't watch it.' That's not an attempt at a left-handed compliment. They really mean it, and I understand what they're saying. When I was a kid, the whole family used to sit around the television set and watch 'Fawty Towers' (a BBC sitcom in the 1970s), and my mother would cover her eyes. She thought it was unbearable to watch, but the rest of us thought it was hysterical. I think uncomfortable comedy like that verges on being pleasurable if you are of a certain disposition."
Coogan will next be seen in this country in Ben Stiller's sequel "Night at the Museum 2," but English fans will see him sooner in a long-awaited comedy tour. The three-month tour, complete with dancers and live music, marks a return to his stand-up roots. But he said he expects to come back to the States to continue his film career.
If there is a dark lining to Coogan's silver cloud, it is that his first starring role in an American movie ("Hamlet 2") might get crushed at the box office by his smaller role in his other American movie ("Tropic Thunder").
"I do have mixed feelings about one movie possibly squashing my other movie," he said with a laugh, "but I'm proud to be in both films. Seriously, when I saw 'Tropic Thunder,' I had the thought: "Hey, this is a great movie, and I'm in it.' "But I'm just enjoying this time," he added. "People are saying that I'm having a moment, and if that's the case, I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the moment. I've been the flavor-of-the-month before, and I've not been the flavor-of-the-month before, and I know that neither is the root of happiness."
Fleming, who attended middle school in Dana Point and San Juan Capistrano, said he has no doubts that Coogan will continue to enjoy moments like this. "There is no way that American audiences are not going to connect with him. Every comic in America is a fan of his, and pretty soon the rest of America will catch up."
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The English Jerry Seinfeld? When has Seinfeld ever played anyone but himself? pah!











